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#1 billh

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 10:25 AM

. . . guess I'm OK with this as long as the fees to cyclists are proportional to the cost to build and maintain "special lanes" (thinks to self: what special lanes?  maintained?  the few I see are crappy, unswept, and restriped every 10 years if at all!).  the proportion of bike lanes to all roads in Missouri must be something on the order of .000001 so if you want to charge cyclists, the majority of whom already pay property taxes and fees for the motor vehicles, an additional .00000001 times yearly motor vehicle taxes and fees, then that is fine with me.  maybe it would end up about 25 cents per year.  compare that to what it would cost to adminster the additional bureaucracy, then the small government people will throw a fit.  My hunch is that if you peel back the layers of the onion on this letter-writer, you will find a disgruntled motorist who doesn't like being slowed down.  all that said, of course, cyclists need to continue to improve as good citizens on the road, sharing the road with motorists, but then "sharing" is a two-way street, both sides need to work together.  


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Rules Of Road For Cyclists


Regarding the July 27 article about sharing the road with cyclists, may I offer some suggestions?

Cyclists should be required to take a Missouri written and driving test and receive a Missouri license to be on the road and must carry this license with them at all times as do motorists.

Cyclists must have their cycles pass Missouri state inspections and have Missouri license plates for identification just as motorists.

Cyclists must pay Missouri state property taxes for their cycles just as motorists.

All these fees will help to maintain the special lanes for cyclists and make bad cyclists more aware of the rules and easier to identify if/when they disobey the laws, just as motorists.

When we share the road, we share the burden of maintaining the special lanes which costs the taxpayer.

This seems to be an equitable solution of educating the cyclist and raising funds for our roadways.

J. M. Hardin
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August 02, 2012



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Posted 04 August 2012 - 10:33 AM

oh completely missed this excellent article the letter writer is responding to, with good quotes from local cyclist, shop owner . . .

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Cycling Culture Gaining Ground
Enthusiasts say more bicycles on roads has led to greater acceptance from motorists

by Kevin Murphy

July 27, 2012



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A "Share The Road" sign posted along Geyer Road in Kirkwood. Cyclists have all of the same rights to the road as do motorists ... and all of the same responsibilities.photo by Diana Linsley
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Det. Steve Urbeck of the Kirkwood Police Department said many cyclists simply don't realize they are subject to the same rules of the road as are motorists.photo by Diana Linsley

There's no shortage these days of cycling commuters eager to pedal the health and environmental benefits of bicycles over long-established combustion technologies.

The popularity of cycling continues to grow, and with that growth comes the call for heightened safety awareness on the part of both motorists and cyclists.

Cyclists have long complained about some drivers who don't respect their rights to be on the roadways. Motorists counter that many cyclists do not play by the rules of the road, such as ignoring stop signs and cycling side-by-side.

Both sides would agree, however, that when accidents occur it's the cyclist who loses -- a 15-pound bike stands zero chance going up against a 4,000-pound SUV.

Tim Mohs will vouch for that. Formerly with the Alpine Shop in Kirkwood and now the manager of Alpine's Chesterfield store, Mohs is an experienced cyclist with a harrowing tale to tell about his recent encounter with a motor vehicle.

On June 29, just before darkness had fallen, he and his fiance were riding their bikes in Forest Park. Cycling just ahead of his fiance, Mohs said he had the green light as he began to cross four lanes of Lindell Boulevard, just north of the Missouri History Museum, when he was struck from the side by a motorist traveling at a fast clip.

"He hit me with so much speed that I popped straight into the air, and found myself going into a barrel roll. I landed 25 to 30 feet from where he hit me. My head and shoulder hit the pavement first," Mohs said.

Mohs suffered "road rash" down the entire length of the right side of his body, and while he did not break any bones, he did have reconstructive plastic surgery performed on his ear. His helmet was cracked from front to back.

"If I had not been wearing my helmet, I definitely would not be here talking with you," Mohs said.

A Right To The Road

"Every person riding a bicycle is granted all of the rights and obligated to follow all of the rules -- yield to pedestrians, stop at lights and signs -- just as all vehicles have to do," said Det. Steve Urbeck of the Kirkwood Police Department.

Cyclists, like motorists, can also be slapped with expensive traffic tickets. Kirkwood has its own, local ordinance that applies to non-motorized vehicles.

"I don't know if we have a problem with cyclists. We don't get a lot of calls about it. But, it's my feeling that a lot of cyclists don't realize that they are subject to the rules of the road just like everyone else," Urbeck said.

Promoters of cycling regularly educate riders about their rights, and about practicing safe-riding habits, through organized rides, cycling websites and a variety of educational campaigns, many of which target school-aged riders.

A national campaign, for example, urges motorists to allow at least three feet of space when passing a cyclist. Three feet protects cyclists from dangers such as a side view mirror collision or wind from a vehicle pushing them over.

Cyclists Ignoring Traffic Laws?

Mary Carver of Kirkwood said she witnesses cyclists ignoring traffic laws on a regular basis. Carver had a recent close call with a cyclist who she said ran a stop sign at Essex and Geyer roads, stopping only when he ran into her vehicle.

"I have talked to a lot of people who live here, and they feel the same way I do. It is getting out of hand. We need to make people aware that a potential tragedy could occur," Carver said.

As more cyclists take to the road, Carver said there seems to be less of a willingness to obey traffic laws.

"To go along with their right to ride on the streets, they have the same responsibility as drivers do to obey the traffic laws," Carver said. "I'm all for the right to cycle in the streets, and I applaud people who want to save energy and help the environment. But, at the same time, I'm for safety."

The cyclist who struck Carver's car brushed himself off, said his brakes had failed, apologized and then pedaled off.

More Bikes The Better

Ron Clipp is co-owner with Alex Bischoff of The Hub Bicycle Company in Webster Groves. The Hub hosts three bike rides a week and sponsors bike safety programs for school-aged riders.

Clipp agrees there are bad cyclists out there, but he compares their numbers to those of bad motorists. A few percent, he said, are at fault for giving the majority of responsible cyclists a bad name.

The Hub's organized bike rides adhere to traffic signs, ride single file on two-lane streets, and are respectful of motorists around them, Clipp said. He said St. Louis area streets are much more biker-friendly than they were when he moved to the area from Dallas in 1996.

The reason for that, he said, is the growing popularity of cycling.

"It's huge. Our shop has enjoyed double-digit growth every year since we opened (in 2003). There are more and more cyclists on the road and that makes it better for everybody. The more cyclists interact with cars, the more it teaches motorists to be aware. At the same time, cyclists learn better habits when moving in traffic," Clipp said.

The Hub owner said his number one problem while cycling comes from inattentive motorists who are talking on cell phones -- a common complaint no matter the mode of transportation.

"Motorists get ticked off whenever cyclists blow through stop signs, as well they should," Clipp said. "Cyclists get ticked off when motorists are held up for a while, become short on patience, then try to pass in some dangerous way. I've had some bad experiences with drivers, but generally my experiences have been good."

Carrie Cash, bike shop manager for the Alpine Shop in Kirkwood, agrees that the relationship between cyclist and motorist has improved as both parties become more accustomed to sharing the road.

"I'd say 90 percent of the time I've had positive experiences sharing the road with motorists," Cash said. "The relationship on the road becomes better once you become knowledgeable about what a motorist sees, or may not see. We don't expect them to watch out for us, we watch out for them."

There are no indications of a slow-down when it comes to the growing popularity of urban cycling. Motorists and cyclists who choose to ignore one another do so at their own peril.

"Awareness needs to be brought to the forefront," Cash said. "Motorists need to be more aware as far as where we come from, and cyclists can't feel like they own the road, either."

"The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, while the mark of the mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one"  JD Salinger, Catcher in the Rye, 1963

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:03 PM

I was in Paris lately and was pleasantly surprised by the number of cyclists on the road. I was also shock by the acknowledgment by everybody that they do belong on the road. You are treated like any other road user. Yes, that also include the same fines for road infraction like any other road user. You can easily get slapped by a 90 Euro fine if you run a red light. When it is your right of the way, cars yield to you and when cars have the right to the road, they expect you to yield.
I am not sure what it will take to develop such a culture. I am sure the Tour has a lot to do with it, but I think the biggest factor there is everyone, young and old, rich or poor has been on a bike many times in their adult life, while I cannot say that about car ownership and driving and for some reason I cannot imaging such a thing to happen here.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 09:24 PM

I think it is just a difference of culture we will never attain. When threads come up about cycling vacations on weightweenies, this is something that is always mentioned by posters who have gone riding in alps/dolomites/pyranees etc from the states. People are generally very surprised at just how curteous drivers are, more so in Italy than France apparently.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 10:06 AM

and the saga continues . . .

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Bicyclists: Earn Respect

I'm writing in response to the July 27 article about bicycles on the roads. The vast majority of bicyclists are rude and do not obey the traffic laws. They have a "holier than thou" attitude.

If drivers of cars, which pay taxes for the roads with gas taxes and property taxes, have to have a license to be on the road, the cyclists should too. Police need to enforce the laws on cyclists too and give them tickets. They can also pay taxes for the roads also.

Too often, they speed by in a line of traffic at a stop sign or light and go through the red light.

When more cyclists start obeying laws and waiting their turns at signals, then drivers of automobiles will have more respect for them.

Kevin Carroll
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August 16, 2012


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:53 AM

I am from Italy and I have been living in STL for 5 years now. Before coming here, I lived in Switzerland, Taiwan and Scotland for periods of time ranging from 8 months to 2 years. Before coming here, I was never honked at for being on the right side of the road, never passed by monstrous trucks leaving just one foot between their mirror and my handlebar, never accused of occupying the whole lane at a stop, never saw writingS on the road indicating we should ride on trails only  ("Ride on the Katy!!" invitation as seen at the bottom of the Schulenberg). I see a level of hanger that is unproportional to any shortcoming we cyclist might be responsible for. The whole taxation issue is just a way for some motorists to express this unjustified hanger. Let's not forget that before the engine was invented, there were already roads and they were used by horse-riders and bycicle riders... And, on the same hand, cyclists are not allowed on all roads anyway..

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 11:20 AM

oh yes, the editors at our favorite little suburban paper are keeping this one going . . . it's great they print a cyclist rebutall of sorts, but I think the whole economic argument misses the heart of the matter, which in my view, is the basic power struggle for space on the pavement.  I think this letter is kinda lame, no one believes cyclists provide a "huge" economic benefit to the neighborhood.  I have an awesome letter in mind that compares motor vehicles to assault weapons, but I'm holding back, might come across as too inflammatory . . .  B) :rolleyes: :huh: ^_^ :)  . . . hoping this will all go away as summer draws to an end . . .

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Cyclists Provide "Huge" Tax Benefit To Area

I am writing in response to Mr. Kevin Carroll's Aug. 17 letter concerning area bicyclists. I wholeheartedly agree with him that cyclists need to obey all traffic laws. I believe Mr. Carroll misses a major point by suggesting cyclists should pay a separate tax for the roads.

The current tax benefit to a community by cyclists is huge. Foremost, cyclists often have cars sitting in their garages for which they have paid taxes. The local community benefits, as every mile not driven is a savings in potential road repair costs.

Second, cyclists all pay sales taxes on their bikes that directly contribute to their municipality.

Finally, cyclists are economic engines for their community. What do the most bike-friendly cities in the nation (Minneapolis, Portland and Seattle) all share in common? They all have more jobs and a stronger economy than our region.

I give kudos to the city of St. Louis and organizations like Trailnet that are working hard to improve the biking options in the area. I encourage all St. Louisans to promote cycling, as it will improve our retention of a strong and educated work force.

As Mr. Carroll would agree, we need to remove as many barriers to physical activity as possible in a state that ranks 40th in physical activity and is one of the most obese states in the Union.

Zachary D. Tebb M.D.
Des Peres
August 30, 2012



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Posted 31 August 2012 - 07:07 PM

At least the W-K Times is a REAL paper and not a "little suburban paper" like so many others...




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