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[mikebobelak]

http://go.stlbiking....ng-release-form

[Ryan W]

Are these dirt crits CX-bike friendly, or only mountain bikes?

[mikebobelak]

the course is "friendly" to both, flat open areas and mostly hardpack are going to be CX fast, but there will be some sections you will need to slow down and tap dance your way thru , were a MTB will just blast thru...

[millerclimb]

Ryan W, on 27 June 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

Are these dirt crits CX-bike friendly, or only mountain bikes?

In the past there were people doing the races on CX bikes. Due too the creek crossing and a couple other obstacles, it was generally not a choice that would keep one competitive, but would be good for the skills for sure.

But the course is in a different part of the park this year....might be a little better for a cross bike? Only one way too find out!

Edited by millerclimb, 27 June 2012 - 12:47 PM.

[Falasi4]

When we used to have them on the back side of the park, the speeds were typically a lot higher than the front part of the park and quite a bit higher than a typical cx race which is usually on softer ground/grass.

"B" race back then had mtb trains/pacelines of 5-6 riders rolling at 25-27mph.

I did one on a CX bike and it is certainly something that can be done but it was brutal on my wrists/elbows compared to a CX race due to the higher speeds and needing to run the tires a higher psi.  Hitting roots, etc.. at normal cx speeds and tire pressures is ok - hitting them at almost 30 practically guarantees a pinch flat unless the tire pressure is high enough to take it - hitting them at that speed with the higher tire pressure is pretty brutal.

I'd say bunny hop the rougher stuff but if memory serves, on the dusty nights it was hard to see anything below about knee level so you hit a lot of stuff "blind"

I would not say don't do it on a CX bike, especially if you don't have a mountain bike, it will still be fun - I would just say there are a few unique circumstances to at least take into account and be ready for if you go the CX bike route.

[Rodgers]

Anyone have a course map?  I was there last night on the river scenic view portion of the trails and it seemed CX friendly with only a few minor roots to speak of.  Although breaking was tough on some of the turns no doubt.

[mjs]

I have a course map, in my head.  We will have it flagged out plenty early tomorrow.  We are going to do as little in possible in the field to keep everyone out of the heat.  No Buddy length speaches, short and sweet.

You will lose time in sections on a CX bike, but on others sections it should more than even out.  

Matt

[Jeff B]

And stay out of the river.

[jfp]

mikebobelak, on 27 June 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

http://go.stlbiking....ng-release-form

• Do you guys want us to bring a form even if we preregistered, or will you have them printed out?
  
• If we race multiple weeks do we need a form each week or just the first?

[mjs]

jfp, on 27 June 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

mikebobelak, on 27 June 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

http://go.stlbiking....ng-release-form

• Do you guys want us to bring a form even if we preregistered, or will you have them printed out?
  
• If we race multiple weeks do we need a form each week or just the first?

Good question.  If you are over 18, and you pre-registered, you do not need a waiver.  Only a minor's guardian (Ben Banet) and day-of are required to sign forms on site.  This is as it was explained to me by James Nelson.

Matt

[pirt3]

mjs, on 27 June 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

I have a course map, in my head.  We will have it flagged out plenty early tomorrow.  We are going to do as little in possible in the field to keep everyone out of the heat.  No Buddy length speaches, short and sweet.

You will lose time in sections on a CX bike, but on others sections it should more than even out.  

Matt

And to think i had spent most of yesterday preparing a lengthy speech to give tonight to all the racers......

Larry

[rigrider]

jfp, on 27 June 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

mikebobelak, on 27 June 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

http://go.stlbiking....ng-release-form

• Do you guys want us to bring a form even if we preregistered, or will you have them printed out?
  
• If we race multiple weeks do we need a form each week or just the first?

If you preregistered online and over 18 then your virtual signature of the waiver is acceptable by USA Cycling.  Just show up, get your race number and you are off to the races.  One of the pluses of using the online registration through USA Cycling.

If you are under 18 then USA Cycling still requires a wet signature by a parent or guardian each week.  Those requiring a signature (ie-Jrs) should have their waivers already filled out and stapled to their race number.

[Mark EWERS]

and to answer an earlier question: YES you do need a new signed waiver each night you race. They're only ever good on the date you sign.

3 routes to a signed waiver

• register online at USACycling
  
• pre-fill and print out a release form and bring it with you when you register on-site
  
• sign a release form at on-site registration

Stay cool out there tonight and have a great race

[rigrider]

Mark EWERS, on 28 June 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

and to answer an earlier question: YES you do need a new signed waiver each night you race. They're only ever good on the date you sign.

3 routes to a signed waiver

• register online at USACycling
  
• pre-fill and print out a release form and bring it with you when you register on-site
  
• sign a release form at on-site registration

Stay cool out there tonight and have a great race

And to be clear, you only need to sign a form for each week if you sign up in person each week. Like they do for Tuesday Worlds which is all done by registering in person.  If you are preregistered you are all set for showing up and racing each week because by registering online you have e-signed your waiver and USA Cycling approves it.

Text:

Q: Will USA Cycling accept an electronic signature for event waivers?

A: USA Cycling will only accept electronic signatures for event waivers for events using USA Cycling Online Registration.   Riders under the age of 18 (19 in Alabama) will still be required to execute an on-site “wet” signature on waivers.


Link:
http://www.usacyclin...y.php?id=5718#9

[Slomotion44]

Are there still spots open in B and C class for someone to register tonight?  I have a buddy that is trying to decide to drive in from out of town but doesn't want to get here and not be able to race.  Thanks!