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[billh]

another amazing Keirin final this past weekend in Melbourne . . .

[Kayce]

That was some pretty polite bullying by Hoy. Just a couple of little elbow taps.

[icelatte]

It was a very wily win but it still doesn't bode well for him in London if its a straight shoot out especially considering his loss in the match sprint.

[billh]

icelatte, on 11 April 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

It was a very wily win but it still doesn't bode well for him in London if its a straight shoot out especially considering his loss in the match sprint.

speaking of the match sprint, did you see Kenny vs Bauge in the final? . . .

http://touch.dailymo.../#/video/xpz29u

Bauge looked unbeatable until the second heat when Kenny went hard from the line and appeared to have the win except got relegated for popping over the sprinter line.  the funny part is watching Kenny on the warmdown bike during the review period, smirking like he just stole candy from a baby.  then they cut to Bauge who is knocked out on the floor still recovering a good two minutes after the heat!  that would have been a really interesting third heat.

[icelatte]

I expect every sprinter from Cameroon to Malaysia will try that against Bauge in London.  Could be promising for Kenny if Bauge is doing a kilo every round before their matchup.

[robertm]

F'real, man Stlbiking with a sprint discussion.  Awesome.

[robertm]

Curious if anyone has any insight on this, So Kenny got relegated for coming out of the lane on Bauge inside 200m to go, even on the replay it seemed very slight, but I guess rules are rules... What I'm confused about is in the earlier heat for bronze, Hoy did almost the exact same thing to Perkins, came way out of the lane and when Perkins went to dive underneath Hoy, Hoy returned to the lane.  Watched it a few times and just couldnt quite make sense of it.  

Seems like 80's-90's they would have had a re-ride as opposed to straight up awarding the ride to victim of the infraction.

[TYLERbick]

Wow.  That IS a beautiful thing!  Thanks for posting Bill! P.S.  Your flamethrower is here at the shop.  It is AWESOME.

[icelatte]

robertm, on 12 April 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

Curious if anyone has any insight on this, So Kenny got relegated for coming out of the lane on Bauge inside 200m to go, even on the replay it seemed very slight, but I guess rules are rules... What I'm confused about is in the earlier heat for bronze, Hoy did almost the exact same thing to Perkins, came way out of the lane and when Perkins went to dive underneath Hoy, Hoy returned to the lane.  Watched it a few times and just couldnt quite make sense of it.  

Seems like 80's-90's they would have had a re-ride as opposed to straight up awarding the ride to victim of the infraction.

I only watched a grainy youtube vid of that race with no sound.  Hoy was all over the place so I wonder if the commisars didn't consider him "committed" to the lane.  Looks like there was some commentary as they kept showing that action in slow motion but like i said, no sound on the vid.

Other explanation is that there isn't one and the officials were very inconsistent with rulings.  Pendleton won the women's sprint final as her opponent was relegated for some pretty minor elbow rubbing.

[robertm]

yeah, that was pretty ridiculous.

[Kayce]

I would also assume there are a few different judges, with some being more strick than others. But the lack of consistancy is pretty bad for this huge of an event.

[Kayce]

“I thought I’ll give it a go and I breathed in, shut my eyes and went through the gap.” Sir Chris Hoy

[billh]

Kayce, on 14 April 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

“I thought I’ll give it a go and I breathed in, shut my eyes and went through the gap.” Sir Chris Hoy

haha . . . I'm pretty sure if anyone tried that stunt at Penrose, Steven would "have some words" with them afterwards.  When Hoy came inside out on Levy in turn 4, he must have brushed his wheel by millimeters.  It's truly amazing they can judge distance at such high speed.  Hoy is 36 and he also said it was the first time in his racing career he had tried a move like that.  Must have been pure reflex.

[billh]

icelatte, on 12 April 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

robertm, on 12 April 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

Curious if anyone has any insight on this, So Kenny got relegated for coming out of the lane on Bauge inside 200m to go, even on the replay it seemed very slight, but I guess rules are rules... What I'm confused about is in the earlier heat for bronze, Hoy did almost the exact same thing to Perkins, came way out of the lane and when Perkins went to dive underneath Hoy, Hoy returned to the lane.  Watched it a few times and just couldnt quite make sense of it.  

Seems like 80's-90's they would have had a re-ride as opposed to straight up awarding the ride to victim of the infraction.

I only watched a grainy youtube vid of that race with no sound.  Hoy was all over the place so I wonder if the commisars didn't consider him "committed" to the lane.  Looks like there was some commentary as they kept showing that action in slow motion but like i said, no sound on the vid.

Other explanation is that there isn't one and the officials were very inconsistent with rulings.  Pendleton won the women's sprint final as her opponent was relegated for some pretty minor elbow rubbing.

Yeah, I watched the bronze medal match after roberts post and I can't make sense of it either, completely inconsistent with the call against Kenny in the final.  Hoy was definitely committed to the lane but definitely came out of it more than Kenny yet was not called on it.  the only thing I can imagine is that maybe Perkins was leaning on Hoy coming into 3, then when he pulled off, caused Hoy to come up track so they judged Perkins at fault.  ???

It's terrible to see the officiating play such a decisive role in the outcome.  you don't want hand-to-hand combat but at some point have to let them race.  Maybe they wanted to send a message ahead of the London games.

ps--just watched it again out of curiosity, and Perkins definitely head butts Hoy in the hip, causing him to pop out of the lane so maybe it was a good non-call on Hoy.  check the slow-mo replay at about 3:45 . . .

http://touch.dailymo.../#/video/xpz29u

Edited by billh, 14 April 2012 - 05:02 PM.

[icelatte]

billh, on 14 April 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

icelatte, on 12 April 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

robertm, on 12 April 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

Curious if anyone has any insight on this, So Kenny got relegated for coming out of the lane on Bauge inside 200m to go, even on the replay it seemed very slight, but I guess rules are rules... What I'm confused about is in the earlier heat for bronze, Hoy did almost the exact same thing to Perkins, came way out of the lane and when Perkins went to dive underneath Hoy, Hoy returned to the lane.  Watched it a few times and just couldnt quite make sense of it.  

Seems like 80's-90's they would have had a re-ride as opposed to straight up awarding the ride to victim of the infraction.

I only watched a grainy youtube vid of that race with no sound.  Hoy was all over the place so I wonder if the commisars didn't consider him "committed" to the lane.  Looks like there was some commentary as they kept showing that action in slow motion but like i said, no sound on the vid.

Other explanation is that there isn't one and the officials were very inconsistent with rulings.  Pendleton won the women's sprint final as her opponent was relegated for some pretty minor elbow rubbing.

Yeah, I watched the bronze medal match after roberts post and I can't make sense of it either, completely inconsistent with the call against Kenny in the final.  Hoy was definitely committed to the lane but definitely came out of it more than Kenny yet was not called on it.  the only thing I can imagine is that maybe Perkins was leaning on Hoy coming into 3, then when he pulled off, caused Hoy to come up track so they judged Perkins at fault.  ???

It's terrible to see the officiating play such a decisive role in the outcome.  you don't want hand-to-hand combat but at some point have to let them race.  Maybe they wanted to send a message ahead of the London games.

ps--just watched it again out of curiosity, and Perkins definitely head butts Hoy in the hip, causing him to pop out of the lane so maybe it was a good non-call on Hoy.  check the slow-mo replay at about 3:45 . . .

http://touch.dailymo.../#/video/xpz29u

Have you agree with you there Bill.  I didn't see the contact on the youtube vid.  Yours is much better and clearly shows that Hoy stayed in the lane until Perkins leaned on him.  I like how Perkins tried to sneak under him too.